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Boxster Automatic Vs ManualFrom smaller hatchbacks to the world’s best Porsche sports cars we love so dearly, we’re facing a very real concern: have we entered the twilight of the manual transmission’s lifespan? Even though America has always fancied its automatic transmissions, enthusiasts were generally safe in the knowledge that the manual was always there when needed for weekend blasts or track days. Well, quite simply, the automatic transmission has evolved at a much faster rate. The Porsche tiptronic transmission introduced in 1990 has very little to do with Porsche’s current PDK, double clutch setup, despite both technically being classified as automatics. The latter is smarter, smoother and more intuitive in every way. While manuals can be improved in terms of feel and accuracy, the final product has hardly been revolutionized. First there was Sportomatic, which meant changing gears with just one limb instead of two (you had a gearstick but no manually-operated clutch). It was imaginative but flawed, and over-revving the engine was too easy when accidentally touching the shift lever.As crisp and involving as the Porsche manual remains, PDK’s ability to switch gears in 100 milliseconds means it has not only erased the manual’s accelerative advantage, but surpassed it. With emissions regulations here to stay, PDK’s ability to go further between the pumps is another plus point. When we’re talking driving and sports cars designed to thrill, the manual still makes for a compelling argument. No more missed gear changes also mean less stress on the drivetrain. However, it was a battle they eventually lost once the smarter technology had its teething issues smoothed over. What’s the pros and cons of the gearbox choices on 981 Boxsters. I have no experience driving either but would like to know what people who have driven and or owned both think. Will be buying the non S version I think. I want a long term car that should see me to retirement as a weekend car.http://brod-plovdiv.com/images/braun-syncropro-7526-manual.xml

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I’m not really interested in saving.3 of a second between gear changes as mostly the car will be driven with a lot of sensibility and maturity but equally on occasions will see some fun. Thanks in advance for replies. In use, the PDK is excellent at what it is. I have a manual car and the gearbox is the best I've ever used. Rifle bolt action is the best way to describe it. The choice is yours. Neither is right or wrong, choose what's right for you. Bought PDK which was great. We were loaned a manual boxster as I presume they wanted to seed me for replacing the TT. I've never driven such a heavy clutch, period. This includes ancient series land rovers, Ladas and all manner of shopping type cars. Caused pain to both of us. It was totally unacceptable as a daily use car and both of us felt it would suck any enjoyment out of ownership. She has just swapped it for 718S, manual wasn't considered. Would strongly suggest borrowing one for prolonged test drive before stumping up Or is it a resale issue, less market for the manual. Is there a service cost advantage over either. Does the auto mean it is less susceptible to clutch issues.Any car I buy will likely have up to 50k miles on it, and I’d want to keep it until it’s seeing triple that. So resale is not a big consideration. But I’d be interested in opinion as to how either box affects long term value and resale. Neither me or wife has any issue with health and are pretty fit. I absolutely love it. I have been loaned, both before and after my purchase, PDK cars and just couldn’t get along with them (to be fair the cars in question had the bloody awful non paddle steering wheel!). I don’t find the clutch heavy at all. In fact it’s considerably lighter than most of my previous cars. As has already been said, the shift action is fantastic. Not the fastest way to make progress for sure but it’s an option if you’re feeling lazy. Who needs PDK with its added complexity, weight and cost.http://innermiracles.com/F3gLyl5AgWyWBWQZ.xml And of course there’s the added sense of connection you get with a manual. All IMHO obviously. In the three 981’s I’ve owned I’ve had PDK and never wished I’d opted for manual. I drive mine on the paddles 95 of the time and in contrast to most here I find it involving with a (modern) racecar like feel, and I really enjoy the lighting quick changes in Sport Plus. I only use auto for fuel saving and traffic jams Conversely in the 718 I just sold I occasionally wondered whether a manual box instead of the PDK I optioned might have breathed a bit of character or life into it. It also had smaller paddles with hardly any throw which I didn’t like as much as the 981 PDK. But you’re really going to have to try both for yourself, nobody can make this decision for you! I'm in my mid fifties and have had a number of Sunday cars, and was fixed on having a manual 981 Boxster but after a long test drive I found I couldn't get on with one. The gearing is too long and the clutch pedal is set too high for me causing my ankle to ache after a good long drive. However I've ended up with a PDK car (with a Sport Design wheel) and find it to be great compared to the manual, I use it almost exclusively in Sport with the gearbox in manual and am really enjoying it. 7th gear is a waste of space however, too long even on the motorway at 70-75, and causes exhaust drone. The PDK seems to suite the revvy nature engine too. RR PDK is the best auto box I've ever driven, I just don't especially enjoy driving autos. The manual gearbox is a delight to use, and the clutch is not heavy, I'd say it's perfectly-weighted, just like all other major controls on the 981. At high mileage, I would anticipate possible PDK maintenance issues, and I would expect fewer potential problems with a manual gearbox. Edited by James McScotty on Sunday 24th June 23:59 Or is it a resale issue, less market for the manual. Does the auto mean it is less susceptible to clutch issues.http://gbb.global/blog/02-mercedes-ml500-owners-manualNo servicing issue diffreences between either, although I think the PDK clutch life is rated for the life of the car. If it goes wrong though, it's new gearbox time. PDKs are priced a little higher than manuals as they're more popular (demand and supply) and alos as they can be slightly higher optioned. Several manual cars I've seen have been quite poverty spec to keep the cost of the car down. A well optioned manual is a rare thing. Or is it a resale issue, less market for the manual. A well optioned manual is a rare thing.I generally have no need for satnav for this kind of car, but Bluetooth phone and streaming is quite important. As I'm a bit clueless as to what the car comes with and what really is a must have I'd also like opinions on this. I wont be buying a car with options that 'need to be there for resale' so 'poverty' spec might be more appealing than something with all bells and whistles. I'm also not a wealthy guy, so this will be a stretch for me, and with my desire to keep the car long term i'll buy a car that others might discount from their search because of a perceived need for a particular set of options. So with that criteria in mind, what should I be looking for. Another (perhaps stupid question) does the standard 'S' come with any options that really have to be speced at additional cost to the non S car. Obviously it has more power but does it come with anything that really must be added to a base Boxster? Xenons if you drive at night a lot and have poor eyes at 50 in the dark.Its like a trip back to the 1990's and having to stare at an options list all again. Hard to believe stuff like xenons was optional though on such a modern car.If I go to the PDK, some cars have steering wheel buttons, some have paddles, was this an option or a design change during production? The dynamic engine mounts (the only useful bit) are troublesome and of little value unless you track the car. I forgot - you get an ugly wart on the dashboard.https://domoticaaplicada.com/images/boxster-986-service-manual.pdf Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 25th June 10:30. The site may not work properly if you don't update your browser. If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit old reddit. Press J to jump to the feed. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts Log in sign up User account menu 1 Auto vs Manual Transmission I have my heart set on a 997 Turbo. I really want to buy a manual just for my own enjoyment as I've always owned manual cars in the past (currently drive a '11 WRX STi), but I have some reservations based on the price difference. Will the manual always be the more sought-after transmission, particularly for the 997 Turbo. And if so, can I expect it to hold its value better in the long term. I guess as I'm writing this, I'm convincing myself that I should spring the extra money for a manual, but at what cost. It is 100 a reward for working hard and being successful. You're going to tell them how much you enjoyed driving the car. It's not a bad transmission, but it's noticeably less fun, engaging, etc.Personally, I would not buy a Tiptronic 911. I say this not to disparage automatic 911s, but just to demonstrate how strong my personal preference is. Internally, it's built very much like a manual transmission, and it uses a pair of computer-controlled clutches instead of a torque converter. It can shift quickly and precisely in a way that most automatics can't. The programming is also better. IMO, the question of PDK vs. I was originally looking into a 997.1, but based on your post and further research that I’m doing, I want to stay far away from a tiptronic model. So if I were to open my search up to include 997.2, is there a difference between a gen 1 versus gen 2 for the 6-speed manual. Seems my order of preference should be the following, right. The free market is giving you your answer. Don’t you love capitalism. Especially pre-PDK years. After driving both you really can’t go wrong. The manual is more fun for sure.http://careerhack.net/wp-content/plugins/formcraft/file-upload/server/content/files/1627ed1e3a3b60---brother-printer-service-manual-pdf.pdf I’m glad I waited and found a 6-spd. For PDK its around 10-20k. That’s manual money. If it’s a 997.2, then we’re talking PDK, and that’s a great deal. Yeah, that was for a 997.1 tiptronic — I figured it was an okay price because of the low mileage. Seems to be a fair price to me, but I’ve only been researching for a few weeks. I rarely drove either in full auto. They are stout trannys, good for gobs of hp, and my 997tt blips the throttle w manual downshifts when in sport mode w spirited driving. Everything previously said about value is true, but I’ll never need to replace a clutch. And I can be butt lazy if I choose and not be overly worried if I loan it to a gf or daughter. I also understand the joy of shifting Porsches, but my 68 L hotrod gives me that. Manuals are just better than Tiptronic and they made a lot less, just supply and demand. Dad has a Tip 997 Turbo and its fun to drive. Manuals always hold their value best, and they appreciate the fastest when the numbers start climbing. All rights reserved Back to top. When I placed the order you could only have the PDK box however I notice you can now have a manual box. Has anyone had any experience of Manual vs PDK on a Porsche 718 My last 2 cars have been a Focus RS manual (heavy clutch) and a Golf R DSG (which was fantastic). I am however leaning towards the manual on the 718. Agreed PDK saves the odd fraction here and there, but to me it's still an autobox and as such is one more step down the path towards velcro fastening shoes in hearing aid beige! (Waits for flack. ) It optimises the PDK experience. I'm a life-long manual gearbox motorsport driver. The skills will always be with me. However, the new evolution PDK with Sport Chrono on the 718, is absolutely superb. I drive mine on Sport mode and manual shift with the paddles when away from urban traffic. My forthcoming new 718 Cayman GTS is also PDK. It optimises this model in my opinion. Whatever gearbox you choose, enjoy your 718 Cayman.www.dhcrowntech.com/image/files/20220515_123509.pdf Brian Initially I thought I had made a mistake and it took me a couple of months to get used to it. After that I never looked back and I love it. I have the best of both worlds and I am sure you will love the car whichever gearbox you choose.I nearly changed the colour today, but decided to keep Racing Yellow Only 2 months to go.I have a jacked 4X4 for those times. But getting back to the Cayman I would think firstly tyre selection is a key issue. I am sure other members will have some info on winter driving. I have always left mine in the garage at those times of year. Ray The reason, well you can leave it auto and just relax or pop it in manual and do it, plus, yes even in manual it's not quite the same as moving the stick in the gate, but at least you get to be in control and the pdk box is such a quick and nice box to use. The only down side to it is the extra weight and cost over the manual, would have a pdk in my gt4 if I could. Well that is a tricky one and one day it could be yes and the next day no, as I like the gt4 just how it is. But as others say you can't really go wrong with any I believe that more than 80 of Porsches sold now have auto transmissions, although the high-selling SUVs and the Panamera are only available with that spec so that will bias the results. However, I would guess that PDK is the transmission choice for the majority of the sports car range. Quite how long Porsche will continue to offer manual transmissions remains to be seen, especially when hybrid powertrains are introduced, and it would save development time and costs significantly. Jeff My wife has a PDK Boxster 718 so I can compare them both. The PDK is easier to drive and probably changes quicker but I do like the fact you can downshift two gears by hand and experience probably the best manual box I have encountered, pure driving pleasure but it is nice to sit back in auto and let the car do the work, so it is a personal choice. One advantage is that the manual is ?https://www.darrellstuckey.com/wp-content/plugins/formcraft/file-upload/server/content/files/1627ed1f350187---brother-printers-dcp-7020-manual.pdf2k cheaper! But you will never have launch control which is great fun but only do that at PEC Silverstone as it would frighten me doing that in my beloved Porsche. Block-shifting, as in swapping cogs from 5th to 3rd with a heel-and-toe throttle blip, is one of the pleasures I miss most in the PDK. A double-click downshift on the paddles during braking is not nearly so satisfying. However there are advantages to the PDK apart from the obvious urban and high density traffic driving benefits. The 718 PDK has shorter gearing than the manual. As a track driving enthusiast I welcome this, as it gives the car that little extra punch out of corners such as chicanes on track days. The super-fast gear shifts in Sport Plus also contribute to faster lap times on the track compared to a similar manual car. There is also one other advantage on the 718 GTS PDK, an extra 10nm torque compared to the manual version. You pay your money and make your choice. Brian PDK or manual is a personal choice and I have a 987.2S PDK which I love to drive, the quick change on snow can make things a bit twitchy even with winter tyres as you can't slow the engagement down as in a manual and coming onto the street from my uphill drive can mean that I have to drop off the throttle as it comes onto the level ground which was covered in compressed snow whereas my drive had ben cleared but otherwise not problem last winter when we had quite a lot of snow at times. All of my cars bar two have been manuals including my current runabout a BMW Z4 half the power but same road tax as the Cayman S, I go from my manual to my PDK without much thought concerning which I'm driving as I am used to the change, I get into one coupe PDK into the drop head and shift the stick simples. I do love my PDK even if it's not the latest iteration and doesn't blip on downshifts but it speed matches perfectly.The Club assumes no responsibility for any effects arising from errors or omissions.https://diagonal.org.ar/wp-content/plugins/formcraft/file-upload/server/content/files/1627ed2018214e---brother-printer-service-manuals.pdf Information can be obtained from the operator or the white pages. Before giving out ANY information regarding cars, or any other items for sale, please satisfy yourself that any potential purchaser is bona fide. Such information, advice and assistance provided by such persons is given in good faith and is based on the personal experience and knowledge of the individual concerned. Members are advised to consult qualified specialists for information, advice and assistance on matters connected with their cars at all times. Please upgrade your browser to improve your experience. PDK sales are currently usurping the manual choice across the 991-generation’s Carrera range (as it’s currently the only 911 where you’re even given the choice) and for good reason, too. Of course, those who hail from the draconian era of automotive operation will invariably battle fiercely in favour of the manual, yet they are quite obviously (and ever so humorously) wrong. Here’s seven of the best reasons why: Changing gears quickly means keeping drive supplied to the wheels, which propels you up the road faster. In a car such as the 911, which has track capabilities in mind, this is a good thing. A very, very good thing. With that in mind, PDK is again the winner: the car’s intelligent ECU is adept at saving fuel and eeking out MPG while not taking too much away from the driving experience, even if that does mean Carreras now have that annoying coasting function jumping into play as soon as the driver jumps off the accelerator pedal.Even worse, nobody wants a GT3 with a documented history of over-revs (a quick plug-in and you’ll be able to check these days, remember). PDK eliminates these grave problems rather nicely. It means you can sell your 911 with confidence when the time comes, and if you’re on the other end of the bargain, you can buy with confidence that your expensive transmission is in rude health, too.dfcctv.com/upload/files/20220515_123501.pdf Again, PDK eliminates this, making high-powered 911s such as the Turbo, Turbo S and GT3 useable day-to-day. You’ll have to give that left thigh a workout elsewhere. Simply use the paddles (on a Sport Design wheel) to keep the super-quick 991 Turbo or Turbo S in it’s impressive torque band, or get the left peg involved in using the brake pedal for even quicker driving. Carrera Cup drivers still have fun competing without a manual shifter for company, so you should be fine, too. Also, Porsche has (perhaps deliberately?) muddied the experience of the manual gearbox in 991s by making the driver constantly battle across clunky gates, with an overtly weighty throw on C4 models.As I’ve already mentioned, even the Carrera Cup and Supercup drivers have done away with the manual gear shifter, and the road cars are the spiritual essence of these track-focused thoroughbreds. Sure, the manual transmission is fun in a traditional, romanticist automotive manner, but technology has evolved and it is us who must also evolve with it. Visit our corporate site. England and Wales company registration number 2008885. What do I need todo? What should I do? Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. Content will be removed if CarGurus becomes aware that it violates our policies. If you're surprised there's an argument against the manual, you haven't driven a PDK-equipped Porsche in recent years. The brand's automated dual-clutch gearbox is simply sublime, resulting in faster 0-60 times and quicker lap times than a self-shifted 911 can accomplish. But no matter how good it is, it's not a stick shift, with all the satisfying (and, occasionally, frustrating) connotations that come along with a manual transmission. Add your comments at the end. For years, I’ve heard the “more-involving” argument from the shift-it-yourself crowd, and I get it. But here’s the thing about the PDK: It shifts quicker and more consistently than I can, and it’s a lot smoother. After winning several sports car titles, the transmission made its way to the production cars in 2005. No way any of that happens if PDKs weren’t superb. Besides, Porsche engineers say a PDK works better than a manual with the company’s latest turbocharged flat-fours and flat-sixes. Driving a Porsche day in and day out, I’d go PDK. It’s the future. Maybe you need to work on your driving skills. And yes, PDK is much nicer to have in day in and day out traffic, but why are you driving your 911 in rush hour. That’s what the Panamera e-Hybrid is for. Yes, the 911 is probably the most well-rounded sports car on the market today, but that doesn’t make it an ideal commuter car. That's the bottom line for me: I want to feel the machinery when I'm driving a car like a 911. It's not just about speed, it's about the experience, and there's simply no automated transmission on the planet that can replicate it. Let us know in the comments below, and remember: The correct answer is one of each. You may be able to find more information about this and similar content at piano.ioYou may be able to find more information on their web site. Robert Pepper 2016-07-26 26 Jul 2016 Robert Pepper 7 8 0 As automatics, DSGs and CVTs get smarter is there still a place for the manual gearbox in sportscars. We grabbed two WRXs, one manual and the other with a CVT, to find out. WHILE MOST OF THE world and car makers is fast moving towards automatic transmissions being the be-all of changing gears in cars, sportscar owners still, at least on forums, love being able to change gear themselves. Back in the old days, there was no argument; automatics were painfully slow to accelerate and change gears, often offering only three ratios to the equivalent manual’s four or five which made much better use of the often only meagre power available. Since the good old days of column shifts, technology has marched on, and nowadays on purely rational grounds, the debate is settled. Automatics are easier to drive, quicker and more fuel efficient than manuals. They are even safer as they can be more automated; Mercedes-Benz’ latest auto-park system even shifts to reverse and forwards for you. Nevertheless, these days, the automatic rules the car market and to argue otherwise is like saying film cameras are better than digital, or vinyl is better than MP3s. But when it comes to sportscars, it’s a case of the heart ruling over the head, and most sportscar owners still lust after manuals. Yet there are increasing numbers of drivers who prefer or accept autos, braving the scorn and mockery of the manual lovers. The cause is helped by ever-improving automatic transmissions, the best of which are better than the manuals if you want a quick, easy lap time. Now, you’ve heard from Editor Bober, who has deemed the CVT-toting Subaru WRX superior to the manual version, and from me who has firmly stated the exact opposite. So we have a tie. To settle the argument (for the moment at least) we let a variety of keen, sports-minded drivers loose in the two cars. Here’s their opinions on the matter, and the two WRXs: Alex: Background Been into cars for decades, currently owns a 1986 Porsche 911 which sees regular trackdays, used to race karts. What do you look for in a sportscar. An emotional connection. The way it looks, feels, sounds, handles. Autos or manuals for a sportscar? Manuals. There’s no way autos are as engaging, and that’s what it’s all about. What do you think of the 2015 WRX. I like the performance, the handling, and the way it was firm but comfortable. Lots of power, fun to drive. But it doesn’t have a lot of character of its own, the inside looks like any other Japanese car. The outside is kind of distinctive and I like it. The manual WRX is more engaging, more fun, although in terms of driveability there’s not a great deal of difference. Kaye Background Has owned a variety of manual cars, and right now has a pristine 1999 V5 WRX STi and a 1991 MR2. Previously owned a 2011 WRX, just sold a 2002 WRX Sti and is presently eyeing off a 2008 BMW M3 What do you look for in a sportscar. Fun to drive, exciting to look at; a car you’d enjoy for a thrill. Autos or manuals for a sportscar. Better to drive and more interesting than my 2011 WRX for sure, but not as good as my 1999; not as exciting. The styling is good, but a bit sedate for my liking. Seats are better than the 2011, but the 2011 easily wins the exhaust rumble comparison. Mike Background Interested in cars but no real history in ownership or competition. Nimble and responsive, playful and enjoyable to drive. I like overstated flair, but I don’t need something that’s grossly overpowered and wants to throw me off the road. Nothing I have to fight with. It has to be manual for me. When you’re going to drive it it’s going to be when you’re able to focus on what you’re doing, you’re going to want to be engaged and involved, and the automatic just takes that away from you. What do you think of the WRX. It’s definitely got some get up and go. Could double as a family car, feels refined; a little bit of luxury. It’s both a playful car, and a family car. But in the manual WRX I felt turbo lag that I didn’t like, and the gearstick in the manual had lots of travel in the shift (or throw). David Background Owned lots of sportscars, spent time at trackdays, certified Porsche enthusiast. A manual as there is more driver involvement, although the Porsche PDK gearbox could tempt me. Liked the steering, driving position and traction. The CVT WRX was not as dire as I was expecting though, but I prefer the manual’s driver involvement. Stephen Background Owns several vehicles including 4WDs and two sportscars; regularly competes in hill climbs, used to race motorcycles. I want something that’s involving. I don’t mean that you have to control everything; it’s about feeling like you’re a part of the vehicle. An alternative is to have a sportscar which is just shatteringly fast and you enjoy the sheer speed. But you can’t use those on the road. There’s no must-haves for me other than enjoyment. It’s not the amount of manual control, it’s the feeling of what you can control. For the WRX, I prefer the CVT, it’s the faster car, and you can keep the engine where it needs to be; it’s lower stress. Both of the WRXs failed to grab me. I’ve driven them before, and these are by far the most developed, but I think they’ve lost the raw edge. But they’re fast. Neither has particularly good steering. There is enormous grip, but you can’t really feel it, you just have to accept it is there. I like the punch out of corners, you can turn in with a fair bit of lock and nail it, they come out hard. The cars feel strong, you never feel like you’ll break it. The seats are good, but I don’t like the fussiness of the wheel and the instruments are try-too-hard. There’s a lack of character, doesn’t feel like a WRX. A WRX should be ready to bite you on the bum, a little bit more raucous. The engine note is a bit subdued. The CVT is an “it can do anything” car. It will go fast, is lower stress, and really the manual version I found a bit ordinary. Kristian Background Ex-rally driver to Australian champs level, owned a 1996 WRX used for trackdays and competitor, now a suspension development engineer. You have to be engaged in the car. I enjoy mechanical rawness, you don’t want to be isolated from what’s going on. An auto lends itself to a lazy drive, whereas a sportscar by definition is an active drive. It still contains many of the traits from the 1996 model, but is more refined. It’s a very attractive looking vehicle. But If I was to unfairly compare it to a European car some of the build quality and trim would be down-spec, but you wouldn’t want it to be over-priced or weighted down because of that. But the manual is definitely a sportscar. You may as well buy a Liberty as the CVT WRX. Juliette Background Japanese car enthusiast in general, owned lots of cars from Skylines to Cubes; regularly seen on racetracks and at grassroots motorsports events in her beloved BRZ. What is important to you in a sports car. A sports car needs to engage the driver, to make them look for any excuse to drive the car. There should be immediacy in its response to your inputs. It shouldn’t feel like just a means of transport and it should get envious looks from the person driving the whitegoods next to you. It doesn’t need to be practical, it’s designed for you the driver (and maybe a front seat passenger) to enjoy. The seating position should be low and the seats should hug you in place. A sports car should transform from daily driver to track weapon without any effort. Auto, I’m not a confident manual driver and have only owned one manual car. I have not driven the manual WRX to compare. I like the looks, the practicality and the engine is smooth and plenty powerful enough. But I don’t consider the new WRX CVT to be a sports car. The CVT in combination with the laggy turbo make it a slug off the line and the CVT would be a pain if you took it to a track. It would have been a better car with a traditional automatic transmission. You sit very high in the car, as you would in a large family sedan. The seats are flat and don’t offer much support. I also didn’t find them particularly comfortable for an average trip in the car. Would I buy one? No. Tim Background Long time car enthusiast, owns a racecar, car club president, current owner of a GT86 that has seen a lot of action. The feeling of being connected to the car and road, most importantly the feeling of it being a fun car to drive.