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mini cooper automatic vs manual transmissionThe site may not work properly if you don't update your browser. If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit old reddit. Press J to jump to the feed. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts Search all of Reddit Log In Sign Up User account menu 12 Automatic vs. Manual MINI Manual MINI My sister's boyfriend always tries to tell me that if a car is offered in a manual, you should always get it. According to him, doing otherwise would be frowned upon by gear heads everywhere. I recently moved to a fairly large city for college, and I don't want to have to deal with maneuvering a stick shift in traffic (and learning, for that matter). Is it really that big of a deal. Also, any suggestions for which years of the Cooper S are the most reliable when it comes to the automatic transmission. Thank you all in advance for your advice. EDIT: Thank you all so much for your help.This is RI beach traffic, boston traffic, little ny traffic.Those people are dicks.The clutches are less forgiving and more expensive to replace than something like a Honda or Toyota. It's also sorta hard to recommend older Minis to college students. The 2011-2013 second gen S engine is the N18 which is fine. I re-taught myself how to drive manual on my F56 S and then my sister.So only the F series (if they're even dual clutch). Also, dual clutch means no torque converter, so by some definitions they're not an automatic transmission either. It's your car, not the sister's boyfriend. It would hold rev's when you coasted, (as opposed to dropping to idle like a lot of autos) so when you got back on the throttle the response was pretty quick, the paddle shifters helped, and in sport mode it held rev's for quite a while. I personally did not know how to drive a stick when I bought my Mini, but my father insisted I get it in a manual. It’s took me about 30 minutes to learn (I ride streetbikes) and it’s a fun car to drive that I don’t regret buying.http://www.epilationchateauguay.com//fckeditor/uploads/epson-workforce-610-manual-fax.xml

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I do wanna day that it’s a pain in the ass to drive in the city though. I love my manual mini but I don’t drive it everyday. Only on the weekends and there’s zero traffic in my city. Now if I lived in the city I’d get a auto.They always hold the rights gears, never gets confused etc.Once you get enough practice, it kinda becomes automatic. I have an automatic and it’s a bore to drive in automatic mode, but once you shift it into manual mode it’s super fun. The automatic is laggy and just is annoying if your trying to drive it in more spirited driving situations. You could essentially learn stick without ever worrying about breaking your car, since it stops you from shifting incorrectly. I love it. The only real annoying issue is is that it automatically shifts for you in some situations. Both new MINIs and Classic Minis are welcome here. 33.5k Members 368 Online Created Jun 19, 2010 Join Top posts october 11th 2018 Top posts of october, 2018 Top posts 2018 Back to Top. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts Search all of Reddit Log In Sign Up User account menu 4 Manual vs. Automatic transmission. Automatic transmission. Do you still find the same satisfaction in curved country roads. Do you ever miss manual. I recently purchased an automatic. People told me I'd get used to the transmission after awhile, but I am finding it is not as satisfying for day trips. I owned a basic 6-spd MC before, and now have an automatic MCS. Lacks the torque through curves, and not as quick at passing. I don't know if it's the N14 engine having issues, or just how MINI autos are.I wonder if anyone else has had this experience, or if the lack luster feeling ever disappeared?http://glotecgh.com/upload/editor/canon-mp210-instructions-manual.xml 21 comments share save hide report 71 Upvoted This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast Sort by: best I've never owned an automatic Mini, but when I went from a manual Jeep to an auto, after my first day on the trail I knew I made a mistake and sold it to buy another manual. I would imagine I'd feel the same way switching to an auto Mini. That's why I dumped my Volt. The car feels great when I drive it to have fun. But I will say I wish I got an automatic because driving in traffic with my manual is terrible. Bought it new, and it was my daily driver. And I loved it, of course. HOWEVER, I live in southern California, and driving a manual while sitting in traffic for 2 hours at a time isn't fun. This was probably the biggest detriment about having a stick. Long story short, I sold it after 8 years, realized how much I missed owning a MINI, and when the opportunity to buy another '05 Cooper S came along, I jumped on it. It was my father's, and he had taken meticulous care of it. And yes, it was an automatic. I've since gotten into track days, and somewhat regret getting rid of my '05 manual. When I'm at the track (and most other times now), I drive it in Steptronic mode using the paddle shifters. It's not a true sequential shift, but it gives me much more control over what gear I want to be in. And for the track, it works out surprisingly well. I've had it dyno tuned, and it's been modded with an aftermarket exhaust, 15 pulley, and replacement air intake. The last time I took it to Buttonwillow, about 2 hours north of where I live, I had a blast driving it like a manual. And when I went back home and had to sit in traffic for an hour, I was grateful I could just put it in regular automatic mode. So ultimately it depends on your day-to-day needs. Do I miss having the manual. Yes, I wish I still had it for track days.https://www.ziveknihy.sk/audiokniha/fastlane-endless-pool-manual The way I see it, when I want to DRIVE, manual is awesome; but when I just want to get from A to B, manual is annoying. When we went to test drive them we thought we wanted an S model for sure. After driving an automatic S and a 6 speed Standard, the manual felt so much more fun. It's just the nature of a manual, you will always enjoy it more, except traffic jams and holly areas, even then I hardly mind. It has the Steptronic transmission. Had it for a few months. Really fun, but in traffic most of the time was a pain.Both new MINIs and Classic Minis are welcome here. 33.5k Members 368 Online Created Jun 19, 2010 Join Top posts june 14th 2017 Top posts of june, 2017 Top posts 2017 Back to Top. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts Search all of Reddit Log In Sign Up User account menu 8 Mini Cooper S vs Non-S (manual)? I used to have a Mini Cooper (non-s) 2008 as an automatic. It was fast enough for me. I liked the non-s because of the mpgs, cheaper price, looks, plus I dont drive fast. But I never drove the non-s with a stick shift. So now I am in the market for a new Mini with manual transmission. Do I get an S or non-S? What will I be missing if I don't get an S? What will I gain if I do get an S? Thanks and sorry in advance is this sounds so confusing!! 52 comments share save hide report 73 Upvoted This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast Sort by: best I knew I'd place a custom order. I also knew it'd be an S. For me the debate was plain S, or JCW. I went to the dealer. I guess I understood. So the sales guy had me drive a R50 (Cooper non-S). It was. fun! More so than I thought it would be. Then I immediately drove a R53 (Cooper S). It was WAY more fun. In every way. The bigger tires gripped better, the heavier steering gave better feedback from the road, the brakes were noticeably stronger.Once it outlives its usefulness as a daily driver I plan to gut it and keep it as a dedicated track car. The ONE thing the base Cooper does better than an S is mpg. But only a little bit of that is normal aspiration vs. Most of that is how easy it is to be a lead foot. On long road trips if I set the cruise control at 70 it still pushes 30 mpg. TLDR; Get the S. The extra fun is easily worth the money. Having 11 or 22 miles on the car vs 5 won't make a difference. Also, I likely wouldn't buy a car on the lot without driving it. I've driven Porsche gt3's at dealerships. You can go to most dealers to drive a gp right now. Honestly, if you're on a budget don't get an S, it costs more in the long run. The non-S you have to floor it and have higher rpms to get the same speed as the S and it can be fun too. Do you want comfort or speed. Also the 6 speed auto with paddles can be fun but I'm still glad I got the manual, it's just all around better. It is not as fast as an S for sure. However, it is so much more fun to drive as a manual. Also, I get incredible MPG in it. Something like 30 highway and 23 average.I loved my old mini, but hurricane sandy took it away. One of them was because I thought to myself well if I'm going to get the S, I have to get a manual otherwise it's a waste.Secondly, the S badge looks awesome. Thirdly, god damn is this a fun car to drive. I finally was able to push the pedal to the floor today and just giggled like a school girl. Was going 80 without even realizing it, before I even hit the end of the on-ramp, and no sport button either. It's not just purely about speed.Smooth acceleration from a stop light or put down the throttle on an entrance ramp and it feels like a freight train. If I got another, I would definitely get a Cooper S just to have a bit more 'go', the Cooper seems to struggle a little sometimes. I've driven a manual non-S and an smg S and although driving a manual is much more engaging, the suspension, interior and complete package of the S is much more worth it. All rights reserved Back to Top. Wait, worst manual you say. Well yes and no. Instead they have The Aisin BG6, a manual developed primarily for Toyota of Europe and used by PSA, Mitsubishi and interestingly in the Lotus Evora. However the Aisin doesn’t have the fluidity the Getrag does nor the quick 1-2 shift. Further the clutch and transmission engagement is a bit trickier as the engagement of the gears isn’t entirely consistent from 1-2 and 3-4. In total it makes the experience the least satisfying of any manual MINI sells today. The long throw from first to second is always a bit frustrating, but the control you have with the manual ultimately makes it more satisfying to us than the very good Aisin 8 Speed Sport Auto. We said it previously when reviewing our JCW Clubman last year and we’ll say it again. It’s hands-down the best automatic MINI has ever offered. But compared with the exceptional ZF 8 Speed found in BMWs, it still has a generation (or two) of development to make us choose it over even an imperfect manual transmission. All Rights Reserved. Please upgrade your browser to improve your experience. Car 1 is a 2005 with 20,500 miles on it. Automatic transmission. Harmon Kardon sound system. From the pics looks very well maintained. Car 2 is a 2004 also with 20,500 miles. Which should we go for??? I have heard that '05 is a 'better' car, but the '04 is so well optioned. Please advise asap as we need to make a decision within a day or two. Thank You!! Navigation can be aggravation-not to say a distraction as well. Once you learn how to drive thses cars as they are intended, you won't be wanting to looking at a nav. Unless, of course, you're into rallying about. Drop me aline when you choose! Rich The navigation is more for me - my sense of direction sucks and I need it pretty regularly. When you say Navi is an aggravation do you mean that it doesnt work that well. We have a Mercedes right now and the navi in that car is very variable. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Thanks for the response! If I have to pick between those two. I'd take the stick-shift. Be sure to come back and share. Edmunds Moderator Yes, they are a a bit more work in stop-n-go but unless you live in LA or NYC, i'd still go with the standard. What I have HEARD (only) is that the Steering-mounted paddle shifter are loads of fun but they work best at higher (highest?) RPM and unless you live where you can wind it all day, they might not be a solid choice. Around here on New England roads, there are few other cars that can catch it.We're going for the automatic. We did take the advice of some of the people and looked at a 'build your own'. Now we have a choice of the following: Identically optioned cars.I do know the owner of the '05 and know that the miles are virtaully all highway. She used as a commuter car just as we will. Any comments?? The problems noted by users apply to the 2002-2004 models. The (newer) '05-'06 Gretag gearbox has high praise. I drive my S hard (I don't beat it or bang gears but I HAVE and there are no problems).I further suggest you join www.mini2.com as get the true low-down. In any event and no matter what you by, welcome to the Mini Cult! It was these early Midland 5-speeds in the standard Mini that were problematic. And he CVT has come under a lot of criticism for problems over the years, especially the early years. So I would never judge the CVT to be a more reliable option than a 6-speed S provided you know the six-speed was not abused. If you don't know that history or previous owners, then yes, any manual transmission car is a bit of a risk. Another reason not to buy used Mini's in my opinion, and they're generally overpriced compared to new. - Mark I JUST learned to drive a stick on a friend's car (so that I could drive one overseas on vacation). I stalled a lot on vacation but by the end, I felt I was getting the hang of it and I loved the feeling of power. My question is: Do you think a MCS would be a good car for my first stick. After reading some other posts, I am worried about driving it in the snow. We get a few large snowfalls in winter (Cincinnati). Thanks for any advice. The 2005-2006 Mini's are substantially better from an overall quality standpoint than their 2002 predecessors--from such mundane things as the quality of the dash to more substantial things such as gear ratios. Let them work the bugs out of the car and engine the first year, then get a 2008. As for shifting, the MCS isn't the easiest car to shift, but it's not the most difficult to shift either (The plain Cooper on the other hand is easier to shift smoother than the MCS, but it's the nature of the beast). That being said, you'll be able to get the hang of shifting the MCS relatively quickly and easily. Take a 2006 for a spin; if you can shift it, you'll be fine--the new gertrag on the 2007 from every account I read is a better gearbox than on the previous generation MCS. As for driving in the snow, with traction control, you should be fine--I drive mine in the snow, you do have to adjust a little--the traction control makes takeoffs slow, but does a good job of preventing slides. Tires are very important here as well--at the very least, get all seasons if you're driving in snow. Front wheel drive cars do just fine with the occasional snowfall; you can also add LSD if you're really concerned, although it's really not necessary for snow alone--comes in handy for spirited driving though. I appreciate your comments. I think I could get used to the shifting. I actually learned to drive a stick on a 20-year-old Porsche, which I didn't think was that easy to drive anyway. My rental was a new Peugot, which was easier to drive all around (shift, clutch, and brakes). I don't want to be sliding around in the snow (or slush), so it's good to know that you think there won't be too much trouble. It's the one thing I really worry about with a car like a Mini, since I have zero experience driving a stick in the snow. Thanks for the advice. The new engine isn't just a Peugot--it was developed by BMW in partnership with Peugot; there are several variants of the engine going into several different cars (including the Clio if I'm not mistaken). The Tritec engine (which is in all cars from 2002 to 2006) is a great engine; the supercharged variant found on the S has won several awards. It's bulletproof--there have been very few problems with it, including the 2002's (the issues with the early models centered on issues other than the engine, perhaps with the exception of the dreaded yo-yo, which was later fixed with reprogramming). I love the Tritec, and the supercharger--I think it fits the quirky personality of the Mini better than a twin scroll turbo (everything has a turbo in this day and age). It's why I bought a 2006 rather than a 2007. But the Tritec has its limitations. It's not nearly as refined as the new engine, and probably more importantly, it's much, much more thirsty--for Mini to remain competitive in the small car market, it needed a much more economical engine--and the new one certainly accomplishes this. The new engine, by all accounts, is a better engine for everyday driving--it's quieter, more sophisticate, better mpg, and slightly more horsepower, and quite a bit better torque. It will appeal more to the everyday driver, which is exactly what Mini was trying to accomplish. Me, I'll take the relatively worse MPG--I'll take the whine of the supercharger anyday.My concern is that although the new car is more refined, it may be a bit too refined for my tastes--a certain amount of edginess has been removed from the car, which was one of the reasons I liked it so much in the first place. So for me, I'll take the Tritech, mod it (In fact my car is in the process of this as we speak), and pass on the R56. I bought my 2006 with the thought that I'd trade it in if I liked the R56, or keep my 2006 forever if I didn't--I've opted for the latter. I'll check out the R56 again this week in Chicago, and although I've seen one, I haven't driven one--but I've seen enough. I'm also disappointed that the MINI went turbo---I'm not all that fond of turbo cars myself and combined with FWD, it doesn't work for me. Better in every way than the old automatic. Also I agree 100 the new engine is much more refined than the old one (in the base car I mean). Now the BIG question.Mellow Yellow with black stripes and black roof or Chili Red with white strips and white roof.Its ok if there aren't a lot of Mini's around your parts, but there are two red and white mini's in the parking lot where I work--and I live in a small town. I really love the combo, but I didn't want to be the third red and white mini in the same parking lot. I am not a huge yellow fan, but I have to admit the new yellow is very well done, and I'd probably go with that over red and white simply because it'll be less common. I saw pictures of this, and thought it looked awful. Then I saw it in person--it looks stunning in the flesh, especially in sunlight or under lights. There is also an unconfirmed rumor floating about that it might be a one year offering, meaning it would remain a fairly rare combination. Its my new favorite color. Personally, if your getting a Cooper, that makes more sense to me than the S--I'd probably go with a 2007 Cooper over a 2006 Cooper, especially with the new valvtronic engine. But for the S, I like the 2006 with the supercharger over the 2007 with the turbo--the 2007 is admittedly quicker, but without the thrill of the 2006. But I added the JCW engine package to my 2006--gets me the torque I wanted, and the car is perfect now. Not exactly the mose economical way to go about it, but I'm hanging on to it until it dies; I just can't see ever getting rid of it. Without the stripes, I prefer to think it looks more like a little taxi than a bumble bee. (Especially with the checkered interior.) Have had for a week now (It's a 2007 S) and have had alot of looks and compliments on it. Six speed turbo is fun.reminds me of a 911SC Porsche I used to have (I think the Mini's a little faster, tho.) Stick is easy to drive on the turbo, although am used to reverse being over and down to the right. Keep putting it in sixth gear and then can't understand why it doesn't back up! I ordered a 2007 Mini Cooper S Convertible late Feb 2007. After reading everyone's comments I'm freaking out. You have all given me doubts about the Mini. I would have never imagined myself in a mini but after test driving the little sucker I was hooked- wow!! I haven't had a car payment in 8 yrs and I'm about to get into one so I ask does anyone have an 07 Mini S Convt stick and have you had problems with it?:confuse: The dealer said 4-6 weeks. At this rate I won't see the car till the end of summer!! As far as the manual goes.I don't think you need to worry because its a new transmission all together. The dealer informed me that they have made extensive changes to the transmission. Mine is a manual as well. While the new auto tranny has eliminated all the low-speed lurchiness of the CVT, I found the lower gear ratios (especially 1st gear) to be extremely short. It takes no time to redline it in 1st gear. The worst part is that it produces more noise and commotion than motion. It also exhibited some gear-hunting, and downshifts were sometimes quite abrupt. Overall, I must say I was a bit disappointed with the performance of the new tranny.:sick: Does anyone else have a similar opinion. And I wonder if the tranny works better with the turbo motor, which has a flatter torque curve. Also, thinking back, the service loaner may have had the sport package, which comes with the Sport Button. So it may have been on sport mode.I wish they didn't even offer an automatic. I never roll back on hills, and I refuse to believe it's because my technique is so perfect and I'm so talented:-). When I first learned stick, I lived in dread of stopping on hills, but now, it is irrelevant how steep the grade is. So, is there a hill holder feature. I don't know, but all I can say is that they're easy with the Cooper. I'm not sure how these are supposed to work. I can roll backwards, if I want to, but I have no urgent, dramatic starts off of a steep grade. Aside: I agree with others. The Cooper MUST have stick, regardless of where you live, ESPECIALLY on the base Cooper. I mean this in the very practical sense, not in the immature sense. I live in a densely packed city with narrow streets, bad drivers, and numerous, daily challenges (similar to NYC traffic), and I never regret having stick. It's an asset, not a detriment in the city.I am leaning toward LIGHTNING BLUE.any opinions on white roof and white strips or black roof and black strips. Any opinions on what color you have would be appreciated. thanks. On the red, black just doesn't have much effect. The white shows up much better. On the blue ones I have seen, white looks better to me as well.but, that's just my opinion. I would ask you whether your preference is to be more or less noticable.white will definitely be more visible! If you're not able to, maybe have a peek at some members pix of theirs and get an idea of what some of the different colors and combinations(142 pages worth at North American Motoring.com): It seems like many who opt for stripes get black, although I personally like the contrast of white or silver with a darker color. Mine is British Racing Green with silver stripes(silver is on the Clubman model, not white). The only downside with white is that the wheels(if you got that color) show dirt very quickly of course. Good luck! But a black top with red gives the Mini a somewhat more sporty macho look, especially in Cooper S with Sport Package guise. (PS: I thought this thread is about Manual or Automatic?):P If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons. Not so, MINI says, promising not only to keep offering the manual in the US, but actually adding back cars that allow you to row your own gears. In 2018, IHS Markit says, only around 3.5 percent of new cars sold in the US were manuals. Audi, for example, has no US cars with a stick-shift, switching to automatics entirely from the 2019 model year. While it offers a six-speed manual in Europe, where drivers are more eager to change gears themselves, it’s just not cost-effective to make those cars to suit US regulations. That includes bringing back manual production of the MINI Hardtop and Convertible, too. If you want a MINI Cooper 2-door or 4-door Hardtop, or a Cooper S 2-door or 4-door Hardtop, with a stick shift, you can have it. The automaker says it’ll have details for the MINI Clubman and Countryman models later in the year, when the 2021 model year information is ready.The 2021 MINI John Cooper Works GP, for example, will only be available with an 8-speed Steptronic Sport automatic transmission. That, the automaker says, is because it’s been fettled especially to handle the car’s 301 horsepower engine. MINI Clubman and Countryman models with the ALL4 all-wheel drive system will also get automatics as the exclusive transmission. How that will pan out in actual sales, of course, remains the big question. Automakers don’t typically break down purchase numbers by transmission type, of course, at least publicly. The best way of figuring out how good a decision this turns out to be for MINI may well be seeing how many manual cars it ends up offering in the 2022 model year. Several functions may not work. Please re-enable javascript to access full functionality. Hey McflyIs a Mini even worth getting if it's Auto. Cheers, JustinI have driven both and can happily say that there's nothing wrong with automatic minis. They can be just as much fun to own and drive as their manual counterparts. There are a number of younger drivers on here (under 20) that have autos and they're quite happy with them. Go and have a test drive in them both and then make your own mind up. With automatics you do tend to get more mini for your money, lower mileage and in better nick. And they haven't been thrashed to within an inch of their life. The only thing to watch is the condition of the transmission, make sure that it is not slipping and that the changes are smooth.For any kind of 'sport' driving a manual is more fun thoughI'd recommend is that you get any auto Mini checked out by an auto specialist before buying though. If the auto box in a Mini goes wrong it tends to go wrong in a big way.I'm gonna consider them both. The auto is a lot nicer and cheaper but I've never had a manual car and was wanting the Mini to be my first but we'll see. Are there usually more problems mechanically with an Auto Mini than a manual one?Although there is nothing wrong with Auto minis they are very susceptible to poor maintenance and a transmission problem will usually spell the end of life of the vehicle, certainly as an Auto.Although there is nothing wrong with Auto minis they are very susceptible to poor maintenance and a transmission problem will usually spell the end of life of the vehicle, certainly as an Auto.You're right. I'm located in Japan. Mini's are not really that rare here but being a European car the parts are pretty scarce. I think I'm going to get the manual one. The dollar over here sucks to the yen rate right now so it would cost me an arm and a leg to fix a auto Mini if it's even possible.Mini's are not really that rare here but being a European car the parts are pretty scarce. The dollar over here sucks to the yen rate right now so it would cost me an arm and a leg to fix a auto Mini if it's even possible. The biggest market for automatic Mini's in the later years of production was for Japan. There was a feature in one of the Mini mags recently showing special Japanese made parts to allow the auto A series engine to be adapted for use with a replacement manual gearbox as there were so many secondhand auto Mini's there with a failed autobox otherwise beyond economic repair.There was a feature in one of the Mini mags recently showing special Japanese made parts to allow the auto A series engine to be adapted for use with a replacement manual gearbox as there were so many secondhand auto Mini's there with a failed autobox otherwise beyond economic repair. Thanks for the knowledge. More of a reason to get a manual.Online? This magazine is free to download and covers both classic and new Mini's: Online? This magazine is free to download and covers both classic and new Mini's: Cheers mate. I wish I could read it now but since I work for the government they block the website because of the.uk. Bummer. The six-speed automatic allows the Convertible to be a perfect cruiser while also entertaining on more challenging roads. If it were our money though, we would save ourselves ?1,600 and go for the manual and spend the cash saved on some desirable options. It’s a well-known fact that we Brits love convertibles. But what do you think is Britain’s most popular drop-top. Answers like Audi TT Roadster, Mazda MX-5 or BMW 4 Series would seem sensible enough but the actual holder of that title is the British-built MINI Convertible. Driven back-to-back, there’s a clear difference between the new MINI Cooper S Convertible with a self-shifting box and the manual version. It’s also great on long country roads and motorways with the gearbox favouring a quick progression up to sixth gear to maximise fuel economy and refinement. Granted, it’s a little less entertaining than the manual but it’s still great fun on a twisting section of road. Switch to sport mode or use the steering wheel mounted paddles and the box can fire through its six ratios with great speed and accuracy.